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Old 19 Sep 2008, 22:48   #21
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By the way, many people dismiss all forms of hip-hop because it's mostly made by and for black people. THAT, if anything, is racism.

"It's just attitude - not music", some people say. But what is then 99% of all rock music?

"I love rock and roll, so put another dime in the jukebox baby" ...very intelligent lyrics indeed...not.


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Old 19 Sep 2008, 23:36   #22
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i must to say, Bushido has got strange homepage (nice design, but some photos are not for me)
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Old 19 Sep 2008, 23:40   #23
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He was the first rapper that I could really connect to. He has a very good voice and flow, and he (sometimes) writes intelligent lyrics.

Here is one of my favourite songs with him, Sonnenbank Flavour:


this video told me too much... too much confusion :(
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Old 20 Sep 2008, 00:36   #24
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Wow, a hip-hop video which features both a half-naked girl and a sporty car, now that's original :P
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Old 20 Sep 2008, 01:08   #25
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Those of you who really speak German will have noticed that Bushido plays with fire when saying that gays have to be sent to the gas chambers!
And that's only one example!
But I think it's enough.
A source for that?
Sure.
http://forum.keyboards.de/forum/Arti...D=4008&ID=6700

These quotes are valid to me. I admit I don’t possess a record of him.

Plus:
http://www.netzeitung.de/feuilleton/...en/367975.html


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Old 20 Sep 2008, 14:57   #26
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Sure.
http://forum.keyboards.de/forum/Arti...D=4008&ID=6700

These quotes are valid to me. I admit I don’t possess a record of him.

Plus:
http://www.netzeitung.de/feuilleton/...en/367975.html

Yes in your second link Bushido answers to this:
(sorry for the German for non-German speakers!)

"6 Warum haben Sie die Textzeile «Ihr Tunten werdet vergast» in «Ihr Tunten werdet verarscht» geändert? Wussten Sie nicht vorher, dass das Ärger gibt?

Weil ich den Tunten nicht auf den Schlips treten möchte. Für mich hatte der Satz «Ihr Tunten werdet vergast» nicht die Wirkung, die er jetzt auf andere Leute hat. Gehört haben es eigentlich nur vier Leute auf ner Demoversion. Ich hab dann gemerkt, dass es die Leute auf die Barrikaden bringt, und dann habe ich auch kein Problem gehabt, es zu ändern. Das sind keine Kernaussagen. Ich will keinen Streit entfachen. Dieses Gespräch hatte ich schon tausend Mal – ich habe jetzt auch mit der «Siegessäule» und «Sergej» gesprochen, und ich habe denen klar gemacht, dass ich mit Schwuchtel und Tunte nicht Homosexuelle meine..."

And I don't really see how people can pick some lines from his songs and put them totally out of context. Bushido describes a harder life, nearer reality than most artists do. I'm sure that you can pick some really nasty lines out of the works of Friedrich Nietzsche too... Everyone cannot write about "supersonic wonderlands", "healing lullabies for easter time on Mars" etc.


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Old 20 Sep 2008, 16:39   #27
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I think I am really aware about what Bushido does and how to estimate it. He is VERY successful in the three countries where German is spoken.
I just still take myself the liberty to criticize things like that, which I don't find acceptable.
And I expect any artist to behave a little responsibly - singing/rapping about harder life or not.
That gas chamber line, even if obviously not released, still is known among people, as we could see.
And those other quotes show no unsimilar kind of attitude.
I am not the one to have to apologize for my strange idea to demand some trace of sensitivity, especially of a German artist.

As for Nietzsche: Friedrich Nietzsche was a charming gentleman who had a good command on the languages he spoke. One of many differences.


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Old 20 Sep 2008, 20:38   #28
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I think that if someone says that gays should be sent to gas chambers, that tells enough from that person. Even if it was only one line.


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Old 21 Sep 2008, 22:56   #29
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I think that if someone says that gays should be sent to gas chambers, that tells enough from that person. Even if it was only one line.
He didn't say that. He said something that was interpeted in that way by some people.


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Old 21 Sep 2008, 23:22   #30
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He said that. And in various ways.
It might have been a dissing towards some hip-hop rivals, but he said that.


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