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Old 17 May 2017, 21:20   #1371
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Its funny,for 6,5 years I have seen many posts in this forum saying CROG is to poppy,to much retro and its a bad album,for me CROG is a very good album,It seems like its OK in this forum to complain about CROG and
other poppy stuff AV made but when I posted that I thought Strange attrctor is a weak album that seems like its not OK at all,what is the difference
I probably played SA 100 times and it doesnt get better it got old fast and I dont play it anymore apart from the highlights I mentioned above,I agree with Poul E that SA is together with TBB the weakest AV albums.

I am glad that Alphaville made great albums in the past(FY,Salvation and Crog) I will stick to them and leave
SA to whose who wants it.

Kaz: I agree that it would be great with less grey hairsotherwise I am good in 2017

S.R:You are right that the ship is still sailing but its very close to the"rocks" with this sound.

Thanks Arjan and Poul nice to hear that I wasnt the only one who felt like this about SA.
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Old 18 May 2017, 11:24   #1372
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According to a new fcbk-cover-photo, Strange Attractor is the 11th AV album.
Besides the 7 obvious ones, what do you think are the others to make it 7 + 4 ?

For me So Long Celeste, United, The Terrible Truth About Paradise, Last Summer On Earth qualify but probably Marian has a different list in mind?
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Old 18 May 2017, 13:40   #1373
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Hajak - I am not saying anything at all against not liking, or complaining about, SA. What I spoke out against was pretending to judge the quality of an Alphaville album not based on any at-least-somewhat-"objective"-or-interpersonally-reliable criteria but solely on whether or not one likes the sound.

For my part, I was quite disappointed by CROG and I voiced that opinion here several times - but I donīt think I ever wrote that CROG is "bad" therefore...it is, actually, a really efficient pop album and while I didnīt understand (nor endorse) why Alphaville would board the 80s/90s retro train after they had spent the bigger part of the 90s and 00s breaking out of those niches, the album seems to perform its intended function very well - probably the reason why it was rather successful. And I really like some songs on it. What I did point out back then was that the complexity of the songwriting and production (arrangements, dynamics after mastering) had decreased in comparison with its predecessors, and that I thought this was a real loss. This is not just "I donīt like it" reasoning, but something factual to start a debate...and I remember several people back then arguing that they thought I was right but that they liked CROG precisely because of this simplicity and straightforwardness.

And this is just what I would like to propose: Letīs discuss and debate SA, but please letīs not overgeneralize our own tastes. "I don`t like it" is perfectly ok..."I donīt like it so it`s a weak album" is somewhat presumptuous. "I think it`s a weak album" certainly is a legitimate proposition to start a debate, but then it should be followed by an argumentation to explicate and substantiate this verdict, not just with "because it doesn`t sound like the 80s" or "because I hate guitars".


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Old 18 May 2017, 18:00   #1374
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According to a new fcbk-cover-photo, Strange Attractor is the 11th AV album.
Besides the 7 obvious ones, what do you think are the others to make it 7 + 4 ?

For me So Long Celeste, United, The Terrible Truth About Paradise, Last Summer On Earth qualify but probably Marian has a different list in mind?
I reckoned on SNAAL, Forever Pop, DS and CS.

For the record, I feel TBB is not a bad album. It's just different. It has many redeeming features. For me, at least.


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Old 19 May 2017, 08:04   #1375
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I reckoned on SNAAL, Forever Pop, DS and CS.

For the record, I feel TBB is not a bad album. It's just different. It has many redeeming features. For me, at least.
You were right. SR asked the question on the mailing list and Marian answered.
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Old 19 May 2017, 10:58   #1376
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Well, for once, that was a short-lived enigma! Congrats Kaz & thank you HR


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Old 19 May 2017, 12:30   #1377
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Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, whether it's positive or negative, as long as it's written in respect to Alphaville and everyone else around here.

I like all the albums, but they are all different, and I don't mind that, and Strange Attractor is certainly different from the other albums, and that's probably why so many people different opinions are posted here and on other websites.

As I already said, I like 50% of the album very much, the other 50% is just not me, and I will probably never listen to that other 50%. As everything else in life, it's about personal preference, and I'm not into that style. I for sure prefer the sound of Handful of Darkness than Fever, which for me doesn't sound like Alphaville at all, but hey, if someone else loves Fever, great :)

It's also interesting to notice that the songs I like best from Strange Attractor has Martin Lister involved, no doubt that he loved synths more than Marian :)

To compare, the new Depeche Mode album is only 10% good for me, and I was the biggest DM fan you can possibly imagine, I just don't like their new sound, and it's been like this for years now, will probably never change.


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Old 21 May 2017, 08:51   #1378
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Hajak - I am not saying anything at all against not liking, or complaining about, SA. What I spoke out against was pretending to judge the quality of an Alphaville album not based on any at-least-somewhat-"objective"-or-interpersonally-reliable criteria but solely on whether or not one likes the sound.

For my part, I was quite disappointed by CROG and I voiced that opinion here several times - but I donÂīt think I ever wrote that CROG is "bad" therefore...it is, actually, a really efficient pop album and while I didnÂīt understand (nor endorse) why Alphaville would board the 80s/90s retro train after they had spent the bigger part of the 90s and 00s breaking out of those niches, the album seems to perform its intended function very well - probably the reason why it was rather successful. And I really like some songs on it. What I did point out back then was that the complexity of the songwriting and production (arrangements, dynamics after mastering) had decreased in comparison with its predecessors, and that I thought this was a real loss. This is not just "I donÂīt like it" reasoning, but something factual to start a debate...and I remember several people back then arguing that they thought I was right but that they liked CROG precisely because of this simplicity and straightforwardness.

And this is just what I would like to propose: LetÂīs discuss and debate SA, but please letÂīs not overgeneralize our own tastes. "I don`t like it" is perfectly ok..."I donÂīt like it so it`s a weak album" is somewhat presumptuous. "I think it`s a weak album" certainly is a legitimate proposition to start a debate, but then it should be followed by an argumentation to explicate and substantiate this verdict, not just with "because it doesn`t sound like the 80s" or "because I hate guitars".
I guess we can agree on one thing and thats that we like totally different things about AV.

When you said that CROG was retro I suppose you meant 80s retro,I thought CROG sounded very fresh because not many bands released an album like that in 2010.

I Think Strange Attractor is retro not 80s retro,it sound like the early 90s to me when there were a lot of Heavy rock and sad Music on the hitlists.
In the early and mid 90s I had almost given up on Alphaville TBB was out and I didnt like It at all
then Prostitute its Ok but not more,and those albums sounds like sadness not so poppy.
Then came Salvation ,great with a sound that makes you happy,Crog the same.
Now with SA AV went back to the sadness,a sound I hoped AV left for good Its ok to play sad Music I Think thats what the slowpaced songs are for but there has to be some danceable funny tracks on an album.

You said that the production is so great on this album,I dont agree,Marian is one of the Worlds
best singers why use vocoders and make him sing falsetto
In my opinion 3 of 4 vinyltracks is better than the albumversions(A handful of darkness is a masterpiece on the album).
Hertbreak CIty has a great Chorus on the album version but the rest I feel is destroyed with Heavy guitars and falsetto song,It would have been a great song if that had used the verse from the vinyl version and the Chorus from the albumversion that would have been a great production.
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Old 21 May 2017, 08:59   #1379
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It's also interesting to notice that the songs I like best from Strange Attractor has Martin Lister involved, no doubt that he loved synths more than Marian :)

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I it is like you say then it probably will be Heavy guitars and funk and stuff like that from AV in the
future,really sad not much to look forward to
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Oh well, you can't please all of the people all of the time.


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