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stardustdawn

03 Jan 2001, 02:03

as I was looking through United just now I noticed that many of the song credits were to Gold-Diamond/Gold. I was wondering what this meant. I mean, if both Janey Diamond and Marian Gold worked on this together you'd think it would just read Diamond/Gold. But for it to have Gold-Diamond/Gold confuses me. Unless Marian was married to Janey and she "hyphenated" her name like many women do today, but I seriously doubt this is true and I wouldn't want to start any rumors. So what's up?

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Edited by - stardustdawn on 03 Jan 2001 02:04:19

Staffan

03 Jan 2001, 09:24

music and lyrics, I believe.

Mrs.Picard

03 Jan 2001, 10:08

Well, I think it means that the music was written / done by Janey and Marian, and the lyrics were written by Marian alone (or something). That is the only thing I can imagine.

MC Morlock

Jonatan

04 Jan 2001, 00:46

Diamonds are more rare than gold, remember?

Avil

04 Jan 2001, 20:20

*hahahaha* Very funny Jonathan!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Ariana Dreamer

29 Jan 2002, 15:46

I bought "United" from hotstuff yesterday. I´ve only listend to it once, and I think that I´m a bit dissapointed... Of course it´s hard to say after just one listening. What struck me was the big involvement by Ricky. And Bernhard were mentioned in the credits, can´t remember for what right now... You can say that this is sort of an AV-album in a way...:).
But as I said... I didn´t like it at first.
"Cosmopolitican" and "For the Sake of Love" is absolutely the best according too me. A question: Is it actually Marian who is singing on "Five Years"?? It doesn´t sound like that! And another thing that confused me, in the booklet it sais (c) and (p) 1999. But didn´t United release in 1996???
Anyone knows the answer of those questions and maybe want to share your opinion of "United".

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Edited by - ariana dreamer on 29 Jan 2002 15:50:02

Streetside Romeo

09 Feb 2002, 02:10

It has been re-released in America by 1999. 1996 was a south-africa-only release.
I like DANGER IN YOUR PARADISE the most.it´s so BRILLIANT! And feathers&tar is also very beautiful!
Marian´s voice has surprised us very often, aint it so? Remember upside down, parallel girlz, waiting4thenulite and so on

We are what we are - the meaning of life

Adiville

09 Feb 2002, 13:03

His voice in FEATHERS & TAR is unbelievable !!!
Just like his background singing in GAMES by ATLANTIC POPES <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Avil

09 Feb 2002, 15:22

I just love the cover of Say it aint so Joe.
It´s great! Marian´s voice when it´s the best ever.

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Trent

09 Feb 2002, 20:18

Has anyone ever heard the original cover of "Five Years" By Bowie...I like Mr. Golds version MUCH better...And I love Bowie...he just doesn't do it with the flare that Mr. Gold does

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Ariana Dreamer

11 Feb 2002, 09:12

So it really is Mr.Gold singing, It doesn´t sound like him, though. But as you said SR, he has surprised us before... In the end part of Five Years you can really hear that it´s him, and that´s when I got confused... Cause then i thought it had to be someone else that sung the rest of the song...

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micki

11 Feb 2002, 11:14

quote:Originally posted by stardustdawn:

as I was looking through United just now I noticed that many of the song credits were to Gold-Diamond/Gold. I was wondering what this meant. I mean, if both Janey Diamond and Marian Gold worked on this together you'd think it would just read Diamond/Gold. But for it to have Gold-Diamond/Gold confuses me...

it means lyrics:Diamond, Gold/music:Gold
...Janey Diamond is also responsible for the lyrics of "Pandora´s Lullaby"...

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Avil

11 Feb 2002, 11:46

I think that Feathers and tar is better on DS 9 than on united. That maybe depends on the fact that I heard that version first.

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poul e

11 Feb 2002, 15:31

Feathers and tar better on DS9 Avil?? Do you know something about DS9 that I don´t??

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Adiville

11 Feb 2002, 17:11

How did you get that idea, Chris ?!? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Avil

11 Feb 2002, 17:12

Oh sorry...haha...stupid me!
I´m so used of writing about DS 9, that I always add that 9 after DS...Of course I meant the DS box!

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Adiville

11 Feb 2002, 20:11

That sounds a little more logic <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
I wouldnt be surprised to find F&T on DS5 for example....

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Avil

11 Feb 2002, 21:38

There are no F&T on DS 5...

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Adiville

12 Feb 2002, 00:27

I know....duhhh.... <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
I just said that it could have been a song there....just like the other Gold's songs on this CD....

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Ariana Dreamer

12 Feb 2002, 10:35

So is there a difference between the 1999 US release and the 1996 South African release. Different artwork or maybe some other songs as bonus trax?

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Avil

12 Feb 2002, 15:42

@adi well OK then! That could have made sence, putting all solostuff on one cd instead of spreading out them.

@ariana As far as I know there are no differences between the different releases.

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Alien

07 Mar 2002, 23:14

I got "United" yesterday and can't stop listening to it! Marian's voice is amazing! So different on different songs! The way he sings "Feathers And Tar" is something! really like it... I also like "Say It Ain't So, Joe", "For The Sake Of Love", "Missionary" and... well... I'll try to stop or I put here whole track list... I don't know why but I like "Change the World" demo from DS more than album version... but still like it!

... and there's one thing that I can't understand... Why lyrics printed in booklet differ from what Marian sings?

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Ariana Dreamer

08 Mar 2002, 08:34

Simply because small changes to the lyrics is done all the time and sometimes after the printing of the lyrics handed to the record company.

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russharvey

08 Mar 2002, 13:32

yes, look at Flame, it used to be 'I'm a believer' and now its 'I'm your believer'

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Maylin

09 Mar 2002, 12:27

Re: Five Years- I agree- it doesn't seem to be Marian singing the verses- but it sounds like him on the chorus part<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>Well, whoever sings whatever part, I think it's still a really good song..! <img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

russharvey

09 Mar 2002, 15:33

Maylin.... this is part of Marian's magic..... you know, my mother in law thought that AV had more than one singer because she didn't believe the same guy was singing all the songs. Five years is definately Marian.

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russharvey

09 Mar 2002, 15:41

I think they are exactly identical other than the reference/catalog number on them.

quote:Originally posted by Ariana Dreamer:

So is there a difference between the 1999 US release and the 1996 South African release. Different artwork or maybe some other songs as bonus trax?

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melloman

17 Mar 2002, 05:40

I like Missionary... It has both Marian Golds's vocals and Rupert Hine's hand in the mix (and vocals as well!)The use of doubling the lead vocal being one of Ruperts trademark sounds. I reccommend getting some of Rupert Hine's other production stuff.

S.M.I2.L.E! It makes people wonder what you're up to.

Streetside Romeo

20 Mar 2002, 01:18

I still must say that though United is a very cool Album with GREAT voice(!!!!!), it's not so much my style. I rather enjoyed the power and diversity of So long celeste...

btw, Jayney Diamond has also co-written the lyrics of For a million, still one of my all-time-favourites. Who is she?

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russharvey

20 Mar 2002, 02:54

Not much is known about Janey Diamond - she is a prolific poet who has co authored numerous lyrics for Marian. Other than that????

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Dingerz

20 Mar 2002, 09:19

My fav right ow is "Say it ain't so Joe" I love the melody.

Though I love the lyrics to Cosmopolitician.
Rather inspiring when you are feeling down.
So who is your cosmopolitician everyone?

Tara

Avil

21 Mar 2002, 01:31

My cosmopolitician?? Jonatan of course! LOL

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Ariana Dreamer

02 Apr 2002, 10:45

I have to say that I LOVE UNITED! It´s a really good album. I first mentioned that I was quite dissapointed. But it really grows on you! Marian is singing better then ever before. My faves has to be "Say it ain´t so, Joe" and "Cosmopolitician"

Btw, you asked who our cosmopoliticians were. I have to say my friend Josefin. She is just so great. Love you!

The brave new Apollo

JaJaJa

06 Mar 2004, 19:22

Look what I´ve found at www.ruperthine.com:

From Biography ´95:

10/95 Marian Gold United (Album) Warner

What started out as an Alphaville album eventually became the Marian Gold solo album United, as the other band members left a sinking ship during recording. To date, this album has only been released in South Africa.

From FAQs:

Question: The latest Marian Gold album, produced by Rupert, is great! It's a shame that it was only released in South Africa. I have it on a promotional tape, which I got in 1995. It's too bad that the world will have to do without this fine piece of work.

Rupert, can you tell us what you know? Have you had any contact with Marian since the production?

RH: For some time (close on 10 years), I had been asked by, or on behalf of Alphaville to consider a production. When I finally accepted the challenge, the band were at the onset (unknown to me at that time) of a disintegration.

Whilst the project started as an Alphaville album, between pre-production and the move to my chateau in France for recording, we lost Bernard. Then... between France and the UK for finishing the recording, we lost Ricky. Thus the project became a Marian Gold album.

It was therefore a strange atmosphere through the recording period and it was also the first project I recorded at the new house and things weren't really ready yet, which for "techno" aficionados like Alphaville, was maybe frustrating.

After a period of estrangement the band got back together in 1996 and started working on another, hopefully official Alphaville album.

For a while it looked like the fruit of our endeavours was not to be heard anywhere... then after a trip to the "new South Africa", a deal was struck for a release there.

It was a difficult project and ultimately I feel it suffered badly under the strain of non-musical pressures. While there are some good moments, overall it is without a real centre and direction. Initially, I would not have agreed to produce a Marian Gold solo project.

Incidentally, it is only the third non-release out of 100 projects... so you win most, you lose some.

(25 April 1997).

Kaz

06 Mar 2004, 20:39

Interesting...explains why some names from the Alphaville circle crop up on the CD insert too. Wonder why he wouldn't agree to produce it if it had just been a Marian Gold solo project though...

Although I love individual songs on United, I have to agree with Hine when he says that the album lacks direction. It's like a mish-mash of songs strung together and doesn't seem to flow at all. Still love it btw, but not as much as So Long Celeste [smile]

Alien

06 Mar 2004, 23:08

Really interesting.

quote:While there are some good moments, overall it is without a real centre and direction.
And that's why I love it so much.

poul e

07 Mar 2004, 05:38

Really interesting Justus! Thanx for digging this up!!

I'm not too crazy about any of the MG solo albums (SLC, United, CS) but the one thing that I like about "United" is the production which I think is great! But it must have been very difficult for Hine to work under such circumstances. I think it would have been a much better album though with (like Hine says) some more "musical pressure" (from Bernhard) because there are some songs with potential (like "Feathers and tar" & "Danger in your paradise") but something is (for me) missing in the arrangements....

FallenAngel

07 Mar 2004, 09:39

Agree with you Poul, if you listen to them you feel that there is something missing, that little magic that makes AV songs great!

But there are some tracks that you can place on a AV cd, like 'Say it ain´t so, Joe', 'Cosmopolitician', 'Feathers and Tar'.

Mags

07 Mar 2004, 21:58

Thanks Justus! Very interesting to read. Some of the United songs are incredible live - Cosmopolitician ... Say It Ain't So, Joe - but I agree that this album itself lacks something...Bernhard ? [wink]

Streetside Romeo

09 Mar 2004, 00:02

I really like danger in your paradise, cosmopolitician, change the world, say it ain't so, and soulman. The rest lacks a bit finish and glamour. And, I have to agree, the production is not so detailed and deep, though the basics are very good.

slam

17 Oct 2004, 16:13

My faves on united are "say it ain't so, Joe" and "Danger in your paradise", though I prefer the DS version!

Avil

17 Oct 2004, 20:00

The DS-version of Danger in your paradise is much better imo. But that must be because I heard that version first....

slam

17 Oct 2004, 20:15

That must be it, yes.

Alien

17 Oct 2004, 22:31

I like United version of Danger In Your Paradise. that's one of my fave songs on the album.

Jonatan

17 Oct 2004, 22:37

First time I heard "Danger in your Paradise" was on a compilation called "Voices in the Dark". It was the United-version. I think both versions are great.

Cassiel

18 Oct 2004, 15:42

shit that i lost United when moving in Berlin, now if i want to buy it on amazon.de there is someone who serlls it for 100 Euro arrgh [banghead]

when wil the CD come again?? hopefully in webshop...

JaJaJa

18 Oct 2004, 16:02

@ Cassiel: Or at a concert of the current tour. I bought it yesterday at last.

slam

11 Nov 2004, 19:44

I was listening to "say it ain't so, Joe" many times today and it's absolutely my favourite on United [marian]

FallenAngel

11 Nov 2004, 19:47

You're right, the song is great!

Say, what's the difference between the Tusk and Navigator version???

MalilaM

11 Nov 2004, 19:56

quote:Originally posted by slam

I was listening to "say it ain't so, Joe" many times today and it's absolutely my favourite on United [marian]
I love that version... another song Marian saved from itself (the original one is mostly boring)

Adiville

11 Nov 2004, 23:11

Danger in your paradise RULES !!! [party]

Alien

12 Nov 2004, 11:43

Adi is right! Danger In Your Paradise rules!!!!! it's the best song from United.

JaJaJa

13 Nov 2004, 18:03

The best song on United can only be Soulman.
Besides I prefer DIYP as DS version.

slam

13 Nov 2004, 18:15

Me too! Long live DS version!

FallenAngel

13 Nov 2004, 19:44

Nothing can beat the DS version!

Alien

13 Nov 2004, 22:09

Soulman is the second best for me

slam

14 Nov 2004, 09:23

The second best for me is Cosmopolitician.

Kaz

14 Nov 2004, 19:53

Ì love all the album I have to say, esp. Cosmopolitician and DIYP

Krapplund

21 Jan 2009, 06:39

Two ebay-auctions with the south africa release of United:

http://cgi.ebay.com/MARIAN-GOLD-United-Original-1996-SOUTH-AFRICA-CD-ALBUM_W0QQitemZ320333827910QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusi c_CDs?hash=item320333827910&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.com/Marian-Gold-United-South-African-CD-album-INCD8_W0QQitemZ220342484874QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_C DsDVDs_CDs_CDs_GL?hash=item220342484874&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177

Foolship1077

21 Jan 2009, 06:56

Landed my own RSA copy over the summer, going through eBay as well, and while both solo albums are really good, United definitely outdid Celeste.

Foolship's Top Ten Tracks from United:

10. Missionary
09. For the Sake of Love
08. Change the World
07. Five Years
06. Caroline
05. Feathers and Tar
04. Soulman
03. Say It Ain't So, Joe
02. Danger in Your Paradise
01. Cosmopolitician

I must say that "Missionary" took a while to grow on me, so now it's a "pretty good" in a field of "excellents!"

Kaz

19 Nov 2010, 18:01

You know, the song Soulman keeps cropping up in my brain today. I wonder why...

Foolship1077

21 Nov 2010, 01:35

^ I think it's because it's SO DAMN CATCHY!

[smile2]

I was listening to the whole CD a few days ago, and yeah, that one just seems to stick in your head, no question!

JaJaJa

21 Nov 2010, 17:26

The friends of mine who hardly like AV prefer United btw. Specially Soulman.
And I know why. United has the most elaborated grooves beside some Prostitute songs...