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Claudia answered someone's question on the German mailing list about the rumoured new version of DS and the upcoming 'Rarities' album with this (I've put it through a translator cos I'm lazy but you'll get the general gist):
On 'Dreamscapes':
"... there are such considerations for the next year, which will be located in the indication of the 20-year old Alphaville of anniversary and still will offer some other surprises. Marian & CO work on one, particularly regarding the Artworks, revised version of Dreamscapes 1-8. A 1 to 1 release will give it however neither from Dreamscapes nor from CrazyShow, since these editions were strictly limited published, to guarantee the to the potential buyer a warranty for the uniqueness of these two CD sets.
On 'Rarities':
... the album is compiled at present, the individual TRACKS is not certain however. With "Rarities" it concerns American release, which is meant for the American market mainly. To that extent titles, which were not considered on previous publications in the USA, have priority. In addition surely also some ' Extended will belong version '. We hold you up to date, as soon as new information is present".
I think the info on 'Rarities' is particularly interesting, since it gives more of an idea about what might be included on it.
I also thought now that I've started this thread, any more info that we get can be added as and when we receive it :-)
interesting...
I wonder if next year is really next year...
FallenAngel
01 Nov 2003, 16:55
Off course, next year is always next year...[smile]
i don't understand what Claudia means about the Rarities, her message is not really informative, it's just a generic one !
@ Jetset
Claudia said, "With "Rarities" it concerns American release, which is meant for the American market mainly. To that extent titles, which were not considered on previous publications in the USA, have priority".
Seems easy to understand to me and not generic at all, although I wonder what they mean when they say about tracks that haven't been included on past US releases.
russharvey
01 Nov 2003, 21:06
bummer.... it actually is starting to sound like they are going to put songs on it that we might already have but were just not released in the USA..... like the stuff that was not on Atlantic records, but only on WEA?
Sure wish the tracklisting was available already!
Adiville
01 Nov 2003, 21:08
but on DS and CS we all got the same tracks.......
I don't really understand the "1 to 1 release" part about the DS-release...
Can someone explain?
russharvey
01 Nov 2003, 21:12
yeah, and now it looks like we'll have to buy the new version of DS because it will have new stuff in it....... sounds like a 20th anniversary scam to me.... how about something completely new instead of a revised DS Box?
quote:Originally posted by russharvey
yeah, and now it looks like we'll have to buy the new version of DS because it will have new stuff in it....... sounds like a 20th anniversary scam to me.... how about something completely new instead of a revised DS Box?
Many of the fans will scream about this, just liked they did about CS....
That AV only want our money bla bla...
Adiville
01 Nov 2003, 21:15
I dont care about the new DS......
I already got the original one [wink]
It will be enough for me to see the new edition.
Im not the person who MUST HAVE everything.....
@ Avil
That's just how it came out in the translator. I think it means that the new release won't be as it was when it was originally released (ie. 1-1 means 'the same') to make sure that the limited editions stay just that. That's all I think. I think they're doing it mainly for those that didn't get the original box, but I see everyone's point.
To be honest, when Marian said in the chat that they were working on a new album, 12 tracks, 45 mins, lots of synth etc. I had (and still have) a feeling that they are going to remix and re-release 'Forever Young' for the anniversary...
russharvey
01 Nov 2003, 21:16
not even if their are new songs on it Adi?
quote:Originally posted by Kaz
@ Avil
That's just how it came out in the translator. I think it means that the new release won't be as it was when it was originally released (ie. 1-1 means 'the same') to make sure that the limited editions stay just that. That's all I think.
Yeah, that should be the explanation. Thank you.
It's good to hear, I love new versions of stuff. :) Even though it costs me a fortune every time...=) And some new stuff would be nice as well, but I'm not complaining....!
russharvey
01 Nov 2003, 21:19
well, like anything AV has ever done.... it will make some people completely ecstatic and drive others nuts!!
oh well - have to wait and see... maybe it will have videos with it this time???
I know Marian has said that DS will be re-released with new artwork but I wonder if any of the tracks will be remixed too?
quote:Originally posted by russharvey
well, like anything AV has ever done.... it will make some people completely ecstatic and drive others nuts!!
oh well - have to wait and see... maybe it will have videos with it this time???
Unfortunately yes... :(
And Russ, are you dreaming again? ;)
Adiville
01 Nov 2003, 21:20
@Russ : We'll see but basically i wont buy something i already have just for a couple of new songs and artworks......
Will AV really do something like that ?! Re-Release a 150$ box with some additions knowing that people who have the original will also buy the new one ?
Like i said, i will have to see that box first [wink]
russharvey
01 Nov 2003, 21:24
yes, I agree..... too early to tell at this point. I hope its just not the same box with new artwork - I wouldn't get it if that is what it is..... but if it has new stuff in it then it might be worth it..... but like Adi says.... really need to see some more official info first!
quote:Originally posted by alpha-x
@Russ : We'll see but basically i wont buy something i already have just for a couple of new songs and artworks......
Will AV really do something like that ?! Re-Release a 150$ box with some additions knowing that people who have the original will also buy the new one ?
Like i said, i will have to see that box first [wink]
I'm sure most of us are gonna buy it, sooner or later. We just can't resist it. I surely wont be able to do that. I'm gonna buy it. No doubt.
I'll buy it without a doubt as I don't have the original box [cry]
I don't have original box, but I'm not sure if I will buy new one or not. Money money money... we'll see.
russharvey
01 Nov 2003, 21:33
yeah, I hope its easier to buy than Crazyshow was!! ;)
I agree Russ. That was a farce and originally put me off wanting to buy CS! I was lucky that I got a copy through the UK fanclub since one had been ordered and cancelled by someone. I had ordered mine through ADD and had to cancel but I'm glad as it would have cost a lot more than it finally did [smile]
well... now CrazyShow can be found even in music stores.
True Alien. Maybe that's what Marian meant by 'cool distribution'??
quote:Originally posted by Alien
well... now CrazyShow can be found even in music stores.
It can? where?
Saturn in Germany had a few copies and it's even been available on Amazon I've heard.
and few copies are available here in Russia but they cost much!
I think the ones in Saturn were about 100€ or almost that and the same on Amazon. There is an online music shop here in the UK that is selling CS too for around that price.
CS in stores here was about 140 euro...
Adiville
01 Nov 2003, 22:20
Its cheaper on e-bay !!! Nooooo...im just kidding [laugh]
@ Adi [laugh] but it's true [laugh]
Adiville
01 Nov 2003, 22:36
YEAH ? ok.....
quote:Originally posted by Kaz
@ Jetset
Claudia said, "With "Rarities" it concerns American release, which is meant for the American market mainly. To that extent titles, which were not considered on previous publications in the USA, have priority".
Seems easy to understand to me and not generic at all, although I wonder what they mean when they say about tracks that haven't been included on past US releases.
Yes Karen, last part of your msg is what I actually meant
@ Jetset
I know. I think it says a lot more to us than we actually knew before is what I meant though.
quote:Originally posted by Kaz
@ Jetset
I know. I think it says a lot more to us than we actually knew before is what I meant though.
Well...not that much Karen, I mean no further info about the future content. "US release" means nothing, as even United was released there. I think we'll all be in for a surprise.
I mean a bit more (not much I agree) about the content. At least we know what the idea and plan is, if not the tracks, even though that's what we really want to know!
russharvey
02 Nov 2003, 00:55
but the tracklisting to me is the most important piece of info that we need!!!
tracklist is the most important info and that's why they keep it secret! [laugh]
@Kaz: Where can I find the original answer from Claudia in German? This translation is to me very cryptic. I for instance am not sure that the text says that the new Dreamscapes box will be 8 CDs because as I understand the translation it says that it will NOT be a 1:1 copy of DS 1-8 to preserve the uniqueness of the original DS?!?!
Can you perhaps post the original message here??
I guess "unique" means a different box/artwork for possible future re-issues.
FallenAngel
02 Nov 2003, 10:46
Or maybe less cd's - a sort of compilation with the best of the ds's songs? But that is not logic because you cannot speak of ds1 to ds8.
Or a simple box with all the 8 cd's but not such a beautifull artwork?
Need to stop thinking about it! It makes me dizzy....
Hopefully the new release will look just as beautiful as the original version. :) So we can share all the beauty we've found in the original.
I really don't think it will be 8 CDs in the new Dreamscapes....my guess is 4 like Crazy Show...
It's not a re-release...it's a remake!
But for me, DS isn't DS without its 8 cds...so we'll see what AV will do about this.
Yes....we'll know a bit more in a couple of months....and then a bit more a couple of months after that.....and then almost everything there is to know about the release about a month before it's out....that's the Alphavilleway....keep the fans guessing and speculating...
To be honest Poul_e that's what I thought when I originally read the translation but I thought like Avil does, that if it's not the 8-CDs then it's not Dreamscapes (esp. for the fans that want DS as it was originally). Anyway, here's the link to the message:
http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/alphaville-de/message/1080
Dingerz
02 Nov 2003, 16:38
I wouldn't mind if it is just the dreamscapes box re-released seeing I missed the first opportunity. (and being canadian I just can't pay the $300US it is going for on ebay cause that means spending $450 canadian!!) But for those that already have the dreamscapes box set, well, it'll be boring - that is unless they change things up a bit!
I'm interested to see what it is in the end!
Tara
I'm sure that Marian said it will be re-released with just new artwork but you know Alphaville...[wink]
What is the point in releasing Dreamscapes 1-8 with exactly the same songs but just new artwork? Does that preserve the uniqueness of the first box? In my opinion it doesn't because then there will be 2 boxes with exactly the same songs...that doesn't seem especially unique to me. Like I said before....I don't think it's a re-release but a remake.
The point would be to make the discs available to those who don't have the original - isn't that why people have been asking if it will ever be released again anyway? If those who already have it then don't wish to buy it, then that's their choice but there will be some that do wish to just because it's in a new format - some people collect everything.
russharvey
02 Nov 2003, 18:57
here is a mathematical equation that indeed must be as true as can be:
Alphaville + New Releases - Communication = Cryptic Messages that Confuse Everyone!!!
As I said, no matter what they do, a re-release is going to upset some and bring complete and utter ecstacy to others.....
I guess I won't worry about it until I actually see what the box really is.
You're absolutely right Russ [laugh]
Valdemar
02 Nov 2003, 19:29
So we'll have a new DREAMSCAPES, right?
In my modesty point of view, there's two ways for a second edition of DS-1/8. They will try to do a release fot those whose already have DS BUY the new copy.
a) The same box but with different artwork and, of course, with a different version here, there, only to force die-hard fans to buy it.
b) A DS REMAKE, with 4 CDs, fantastic artwork, some different tracks from original DS.
Is nonsense for AV re-edit the same DS only with new ARTWORK. On Moonbase you can read: 'this box set is out of print and not available anymore'. NOT AVAILABLE ANYMORE.
Remember my question about 'sadistic' ??
http://www.alphaville.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1495&whichpage=2
Take a look there.
V
FallenAngel
02 Nov 2003, 19:34
This is getting a lil bit to much for this poor curious angel...
@Kaz: The original Dreamscapes 1-8 CD box will never be available again although IMO it would be much better to re-release it exactly as the first one just without Marian & Bernhard's signatures for those fans who didn't get it the first time.
But I think that Valdemar is right...those are the 2 possibilities. They'll probably change it so much that those who have the original box will still want the new release...or at least consider it!
Do you mean the content of the discs as opposed to the artwork only Poul_e? I know that the original DS will never be available again, but Marian has said that in relation to the artwork and the format of the box, not the discs themselves, as far as I know. Even if only the artwork, booklet etc. were changed, that would still make the original box a limited edition and original, even if the discs themselves remained the same.
As with everything Alphaville related, suppose we just have to wait and see...
What I mean is....if they include the same songs as on the original DS box but polish them a bit and add a couple songs the original box will loose a lot of value as opposed to the new box. What I think they should do (if they REALLY want to make a complete new box) is make a "low-price-package" with exactly the same songs just in a much cheaper box and with a smaller booklet. That way those who have the original will still have something unique and those who only have the new release will still get the most important thing...all songs! And all fans don't have to buy both releases!
But I'm afraid that Marian will change the contents (songs) by adding at least a handful previously unreleased songs and perhaps remix/polish some of the songs from the original DS-box. But like you say Kaz...we will just have to wait and see...
It's like this almost everytime Alphaville release something new....the guessing game.
I always thought re-release of DS would be same songs + different artwork...
now I don't know anything anymore. [smile2]
I will wait.
quote:Originally posted by poul e
What I think they should do (if they REALLY want to make a complete new box) is make a "low-price-package" with exactly the same songs just in a much cheaper box and with a smaller booklet. That way those who have the original will still have something unique and those who only have the new release will still get the most important thing...all songs! And all fans don't have to buy both releases!
That's exactly what I've been saying all along!! [laugh] I'm sure that this is what Marian meant too.
Well...how to say that I agree with basically everyone? [smile] I used to always wish and wish that Dreamscapes would be rereleased since I couldn't afford it the first time, but I know now that I will never be truly satisfied until I have the original, and when I am more financially stable will shell out 500 euros or so for it on ebay...[laugh], but as for the new release, everything with Alphaville, as always, is a mystery. I don't think it should be done exactly like the original, since it WAS a limited edition, and I would rather expect that some new things will be put on it. We will just have to wait and see...
I read the message from Claudia as Marian is mainly considering to change the artwork...not only changing the artwork. Therefor I believe that there will be something changed in the tracklist as well....and I can't say that I'm happy about that. I would much rather get those additional songs on a smaller release than have to buy a new 8 CD box just to get a handful of previously unreleased songs....
russharvey
03 Nov 2003, 14:21
hmmmmm....... yes, I agree.
I don't like when artist re-releases old stuff with a few bonus-tracks. I have 3 or 4 albums that I had to buy again because they added a few new songs on them, like Salvation and the US release. I really hope that Alphaville won't do that with Dreamscapes! At the moment I can't afford to buy a box for like 80-100 euro just to get some songs that they didn't release on the old box.
Krapplund
03 Nov 2003, 19:03
And I agree to...Alphaville know that I bay everything thet they release...and if they release someting more with some bonus songs on I will bay it...and of course I will bay it if they just change the artwork....and I don´t have the money now.....but I think the Alphaville fans that don´t hade the chance to bay a ex of the Dreamscapes on the first release could have a chance to bay it now.....but I have to bay it to....shit...what to say now...I bay it anyway...hmm...have to save money to this release....(ore maybe I better save to a new car...[question]..)...the life is hard...
Adiville
03 Nov 2003, 19:30
I dont have the US release of Salvation. I already have that album.
So what if it contains 2-3 (?) bonus tracks ?
I've heard them. Dont need to own them and pay more money....
Im sorry but this is too much....
Moonbase news page has been updated with almost exactly what I wrote at the beginning of this topic...Nothing really new then...
Krapplund
06 Nov 2003, 08:59
Yes it have:
nov 05, 2003
US REALEASE "RARITIES"
the alphaville compilation "rarities" (working title!) will be released approximately in spring 2004. the album is being compiled in these days - it will feature in the us previously unreleased stuff and extended versions. of course we will keep you updated!
nov 05, 2003
DREAMSCAPES 1-8
there are plans to re-release the alphaville anthology "dreamscapes 1-8" within the alphaville anniversary festivities next year. marian & co are working on a new version, especially regarding the artwork. please note: there will never ever be an identical re-release of "dreamscapes" and "CrayzShow"since both boxed-sets were and are strictly limited!
New releases are fun! Seems like I'm the only one who thinks like that at the moment. I was jumping up and down when I got the US version of Salvation, bonus tracks or not. :)
@Avil: I look forward to "Rarities", but I'm more "afraid" than looking forward to Dreamscapes 2nd release because it will be hard for me to afford another expensive box, but if there's previously unreleased stuff on it it's gonna be hard for me not to buy it. I really hope it's the same tracks as on the original Dreamscapes....then I don't need to buy it!
Yes of course, everything is more or less a matter of money.
We all want everything, but something it just isn't possible.
For me, AV is so important that I don't care about the price when it comes to new releases, no matter how little money I have. It isn't good, but hey, I'm addicted!
I'm looking forward to both of them. Though I still don't know if I will buy them or not... [smile2]
If the anniversary box next year is going to be songs from 1977-1998, like the old box, it's quite strange. It's more likely to be songs made until 2004 I think...
Then I was thinking... if they remove some tracks like for example Recycling, Montego Bay, Airport Sketch, Romance, Imperial Youth, Iron Gate and one of the demos of Traumtänzer, Jet Set and Summer In Berlin. And also the disc 4, since they have released a live CD and a live DVD since 1998, then they could release other unpublished songs like:
ace, always you, big than elvis, dear miss fortune, emily, escalator, ghost ship, god shades her eyes, hey charles, images, kill the devil, life on mars, mother noia, private plane, red rose II, skywriting, song for no one but myself, sleeping in a whale, swallow paradise, those were the days, twilight zone, when rabbits howls...
Maybe the original website songs that they didn't release on crazyshow?
A new titletrack? Remove Dream Machine and add a new version of Ivory Tower?
Ah, I think I should stop thinking now! [wink]
Adiville
06 Nov 2003, 15:23
Moonbase wrote that rarities will also include extended versions - YEY !!!!!!
DS will be released in a new format (artwork) and some other changes.....
What they would be ? maybe remixes or extended versions of songs.....
I dont think it will include brand new songs.....it doesnt make any sense....
Only makes sense to include songs up to 2004 too if they are ones we haven't already got but then DS wouldn't be DS then would it? In fact it would be something completely new. Some of the unknown/unheard songs mentioned Marian has already told us that he discontinued writing or discarded and he gave his reasons for doing so on the list.
I think like Adi that it may be a few songs remixed or extended but nothing more. Oh and of course new artwork...
Adiville
06 Nov 2003, 16:53
@Kaz : RIGHT ! DS with new songs wouldnt be DS......
It would be something else !
FallenAngel
06 Nov 2003, 18:53
and the form?
Still as DS or more like CS?
Adiville
06 Nov 2003, 19:03
No way they will do another CS-like....
That was a lot of work and money....
DS is DS and CS is CS [wink]
I think the objective will be to make it a bit cheaper so that it's more accessible to more people. After CS I think AV has learnt a lot of lessons cost, shipping and ordering wise.
Krapplund
06 Nov 2003, 20:38
@Kaz: there you have right...and after last time I think they will use PayPal to....
I certainly don't expect another fancy box for Dreamscapes 2nd edition!! If they include some previously unreleased songs on this release I hope they make a limited single CD or something with the "new" tracks so those who already have the first DS box only have to buy this 1 CD. And yes....Moonbase must have learnt a lot from the Crazy "preordering-payment-shipping" Show!!
Claudia
06 Nov 2003, 22:42
quote:Originally posted by jetset
i don't understand what Claudia means about the Rarities, her message is not really informative, it's just a generic one !
hi all,
I am sorry for not having translated it to english when the question and my reply came up in the german mailing list, I didn't mean to cause any confusion! If there is anything not clear, just mail me... well, finally the news made it to the news section on moonbase. we waited a little more till all facts are 100% confirmed.
...and thanks for your kind words regarding the website. I am glad you like it! by the way: has anybody recognized the font? :o)
best regards, claudia
Adiville
07 Nov 2003, 22:21
YEAH - its the font from the logo of "Buffy the vampires slayer" !
JUST KIDDING [laugh][laugh]
Just reading through this and am reminded of what Marian has said regarding the re-release of DS:
Marian: OK. I'll make a statement about that. There will definitely be a re-release of Dreamscapes, but it will definitely be different from the Dreamscapes we did in 1999. The reason is that Dreamscapes was originally limited to 2,500 copies and that was that. It was on this condition that I sold the thing. Of course, there will be some fans now thinking: "As a die-hard collector I must buy this re-release as well, only because it is somehow different." To those who already own Dreamscapes, I can only say: "Leave it!" The re-release will contain exactly the same stuff. Maybe it'll be only one
CD, depending on the format we'll find for it. It's merely meant for people who absolutely want it. Unlike the original Dreamscapes, the format and the artwork will be different. Perhaps, there will also be a re-release of Crazy Show one day but there'll never be this original box or the original artwork. We might use partly the
same photos or something else but the originals are for the limited edition only, and for nothing else. The re-release of Dreamscapes could even consist of less than eight CDs. You know, there are other ways to ruin yourself financially. I can't do a super special edition for a few hundred people. I have to finance it on my own.
Interview by Golden Feeling
English version http://members.lycos.nl/alphaville/
Maybe this answers our questions a bit more...
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